Leftover Millennials
Leftover Millennials
Episode 29: Alpine Divorces, Being Petty, and Timothee with 2 Es
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hey guys! I know we jokingly mentioned going on hiatus after just returning but... the prophecy has been fulfilled. we will be taking a short break to focus on on life things.
in this episode we discuss women being abandoned on intense mountain hikes (sometimes resulting in death), disrespecting your boss, Timothee not being wrong about ballet and opera, and Denny's favourite fashion podcasts (s/o to The Cutting Room Floor and Fashion Neurosis).
Let's get right into it.
SPEAKER_04Wait, hold on. New setup. Whoa.
SPEAKER_02Me?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, for you. No.
SPEAKER_02I feel like I'm just in a different part of my living room. You're just seeing a different angle.
SPEAKER_04Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I am redoing my apartment, kind of, like, and not kind of, I mean I am. I'm I'm adjusting and changing things. I got some new furniture.
SPEAKER_04Spring cleaning. Love it.
SPEAKER_02Very much so. And more storage stuff. I got a new bed frame. Like, I'm just really making this house a home. You have to know it. Dom dum dunum dum dum dunum. Hey, baby. Luther bandross. A house is not a home. Oh. I think I'm doing the NAACP version though. Not the live one. He's like, uh. Oh. He's like flying around the room. You hear the recording, you're like, girl, Luther, were they doing that? Oh, what a diva.
SPEAKER_04Tony.
SPEAKER_02I told you to get off the counter. You want me to get up? Wait, sure, cat's me.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god, they've never met. Tony, meet your cousin. Say hi.
SPEAKER_07Hi.
SPEAKER_03Say hi. Don't be rude. Say hi.
SPEAKER_02Your mom making you come out to talk to guests.
unknownLiterally.
SPEAKER_04And you're like, mom, I mean, like, um.
SPEAKER_02What the f- Hi, it's been a minute, bro. Hello, everybody out there. It's Khadija and Dennis here with another episode. Y'all thought we were gonna abandon again and go on another two-year hiatus. Nope. Listen, we said we would commit, we've committed. We just, you know. Just a two-week one. Yeah, I just, listen, I fucked up my back lifting, so I couldn't edit and then or record or sit in any comfortable position, really. And then I went on a lesbian ski trip and got the worst chest inf oh yeah, got the worst chest infection of my life. Maybe pneumonia or maybe infection? It was some sort of chest infection. It might have been pneumonia beforehand. My friend's friend is the doctor, so she was talking to her the whole time because I don't like going to doctors here because of the weird language laws. So yeah, I uh yeah, I was going through it, y'all. So we're back.
SPEAKER_04We're back, we're back, we're back.
SPEAKER_02We're back. Quickly before, sorry, not before anything, um, what I'll say as a quick update that was before the ski trip and all that stuff, before everything that happened, I also um had found out that a pole studio that I go to, like it was confirmed that the girl that owns a studio, her her, her business partner and the guy that helped her build it and her partner in real life is like a fucking Nazi. Oh. Yeah. And there was just a lot of stuff. People posted a lot of screenshots of stuff because he basically found out at a gym he was wearing some weird Nazi thing, and some guy was like, Bro, are you wearing a blah blah blah?
SPEAKER_04And that guy was like, and me like a swastika.
SPEAKER_02Not a swastika, but it was something else. It was some other sort of Nazi shirt, whatever thing. So the guy confronted him. Anyway, it was a whole thing. It's on Reddit if you look up like Montreal, Nazi gym, whatever.
unknownReally?
SPEAKER_02Dennis. Um, but the studio I'm talking about, which I'm going to name, is Black Swan Studio. So if you're in Montreal, avoid her. Um, I usually don't like to do that stuff because like it's businesses, small businesses, and all that. But yeah, it was really fucking annoying. Oh. And it's a beautiful studio, and she's a great teacher, but that's it. Anyway, she uh had the nerve to get on your get on the internet like typical conservative women do and be all like, oh, I just it's so weird to me as a woman that other women, when she said as a woman, I was like, shut your ass up. Oh god, conservative women only like feminism when it's about them being able to choose whatever they want. We have a word for it, it's called choice feminism, ladies. Read about other shit. Anyway, so yeah, that was annoying. And then I was also just made me look at some poll studios and some folks in the community a bit sideways because I was like, y'all are real quiet. That's interesting. Hmm, okay. So yeah, I'm just like, let me just do my own thing. Take a class once a week if I need to, but let me just, let me just, yeah. So that happened, and then the back thing happened, and then the ski trip happened, and I was just like, Match! I have some release. Boom, boom. Oh no, this nigga dead. Oh no. I'm kidding. How have you been last month?
SPEAKER_04Um last month, ooh, it was quite um, I would say like the same kind of vein that you have been experiencing, but like mostly like is amazing. The only talk about it. Um no, I'm gonna talk about it. The only thing that is bothering me is my the J word. The J word. Um, but uh other than that having to deal with um No, let's actually not get into that part. Uh no, other than that, it's amazing. I forget. Um yeah. Um specifically uh I guess I'm the same thing as you. Like me and my partner have been putting a lot more money towards our living space, which is great.
SPEAKER_01I like what I'm seeing so far. Things look really organized behind you.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we love a shelf. Love a shelf. We love storage. The one thing I do love more than a shelf is merchandising a shelf. All the stuff that I have. So um, yeah. It's been nice, it's been great. Yeah, it's uh it's nice to feel like also like returning this house into a home.
SPEAKER_02So um and it's the same apartment you've been in that like I stayed at when I Okay, cool, cool.
SPEAKER_04Show is, yeah. Um they're doing like my landlord is doing well they'd like to take the other tenants out, unfortunately. Yeah, I remember using a lot of renomps. Yeah. And like that's one thing that I have to rant about. Not right now, but like maybe later. Um you can do it now. Oh fuck a landlord, unless you're nice. Which is rarer and rarer to me. Where are you? Um yeah, so previous the previous tenants that were living in my building um were paid out to leave. Um which is like a specific thing in Ontario, I think. I think like Ontario specific. Uh where like you can't necessarily take a lot of you're doing um renovation, but you can pay people out to like vacate, basically, um, so that they can't start renovation. So they paid them out a specific amount, they tried to make them again. And I said, hell no.
SPEAKER_02Is your rent cheap?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And that's why I'm gonna new apartment. I try not to talk about it because it's like I don't want people to know. But um it's like that's like the only reason why I'm able to lifestyle. Alright. Oh god, but um, there have been some upgrades around the building, which have been nice. Um yeah. Yeah, lots of upgrades happening lately.
SPEAKER_01Okay, well that's really nice.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it feels good.
SPEAKER_02We saw each other. IRL. I was like, bro, it's always like what it's always like. It really is a one-night only spectacular that we we tend to do. Yeah, and very last it's almost very last minute.
SPEAKER_04You're always like it is. You wanna grab dinner tomorrow? I'm like, what? Um, but me and Khadija have this very special place that we go to um that we're not gonna tell you because I was literally gonna say, I'm not gonna tell anyone where it is.
SPEAKER_02Like, we don't need to tell people where it is, but it's a special place in our hearts.
SPEAKER_04It's a special place in our hearts. Um, and they have a very special dish that we always get every single time.
SPEAKER_02Every time, and some drinks, depending on if we're feeling fun. This time we didn't. We were very chill with the drinking this time, but last time, oh my god.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god, we got lit. No, last time, the time before this, we ended up so there is a cocktail that is really meant for like three people.
SPEAKER_02Four. It says four on the menu. No, wait, I think it's two. I think it's two. We're being dramatic. I think it's two. It's two. What am I? What am I if not dramatic? Yeah, but we did get one each. Okay, but when you come here, there is a cocktail bar that I need to take you to that has such amazing, fun cocktails. I'm down. It's like a tiki bar.
SPEAKER_04Um, I'm down. I'm so down. Uh yeah. Uh yeah, that was great. I love I always love um meeting up. Uh had a cute little dinner, a little candlelit dinner, a little drinking ooze.
SPEAKER_02Dennis always gets very sentimental. Well, like, at one point in the dinner, Denny will like stop and be like smiling at me, and I know exactly what they're about to say. They like stop and close mouth smile, and they're like, Oh wow, look at us. I'm just like a girl. Shut up. You do this every time.
SPEAKER_04Every time without fail. Every time without fail. And one am I if not dramatic?
SPEAKER_02It's so cute though. I appreciate it. And then I without fail. Yes, I without fail will not respond, will roll my eyes, will be like, okay, Dennis. And then an hour later, or before I'm going to bed, be like, I'm really clever, French. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Classic, like clockwork. Um, but yeah, I love this little um, I guess, ritual. What's another word than ritual? What's another word? Tradition? Tradition, thank you. I love this tradition that we've um established in our friendship. Um, we'll just literally show up. Be like, yeah, let's grab dinner tomorrow. Next time let's get wasted.
SPEAKER_02Oh, fuck yeah, that's what I was thinking. And I'm gonna tell you about the next time that I will be I'll tell you about the next time I will be in Toronto, actually, after we get off. Because I just can't talk about it right now, but don't worry, y'all will hear about it. But yeah, we are gonna get plastered. So actually, like Titties out, like titties out, especially because like I'm on like a sober kick right now, not like in not it wasn't intentional, but after that chest infection, I was like, I don't want anything in my body. Yeah, yeah, valid, valid, valid. So I have been off the reefer as well, which has been oh yeah. But my thing is I always knew that I would quit when I was ready. So like, even though I was addicted and like was a pothead, yeah, I've gone most of my life not smoking weed. So it's only the last five years that I was smoking it regularly.
SPEAKER_04So every day?
SPEAKER_02Every day, yeah. So I think I realized, yeah. I like I always knew in the back of my mind, oh, when you're ready to not smoke weed anymore, you will. Like, yeah, you're ready. So yeah, for now, I think. Like, I definitely still want to smoke every once in a while, but I think I just need to take a break for a while. And for a while might mean forever, and then once in a blue moon, you know, do a little puff puff pass with some people. Yeah, but yeah, after that coughing bit, I was like, I need my lungs. Like I'm still congested and I'm still like my throat, like my voice is still a bit like off, but did you ever have COVID? Yeah, I got COVID. I remember I got it towards like I either got it early on in February before people knew that we were really like before they shut everything down. I feel like I had gotten it in February because like I was working in restaurants all of December of 2019. Like I was working in two different restaurant jobs. I was outside that December. Girl, I was outside.
SPEAKER_04Were you were you were you still in Toronto or are you in Montreal?
SPEAKER_02I was in Toronto then, yeah. I moved in 2021. But I wasn't like I I do remember that move.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I knew people that smoked, so I would smoke I was socially smoking a bit in December during that like holiday season, but it was mostly drinking. Um yeah, I wasn't really, yeah.
unknownOkay, love it.
SPEAKER_02And then I got that omicron that everybody got. Omarion. Oh, it was like one of those, yeah. Not you recognizing Omarion.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02We're old.
SPEAKER_01Oh, Danny. What else was I gonna say about the sweet?
SPEAKER_02No, I think that's it. Yeah, it's been interesting not being on substances, but also not, because I'm kind of like, okay, like I've gone most of my life before this. Like, before my sound's like, yeah, right. You know, that was an interesting haze of five years, and I needed it. And I needed it.
SPEAKER_04You're like, I don't remember much. I really don't. I really don't. That's what I mean. It's really not good for memory.
SPEAKER_02It really isn't. That's the shitty part. That's all I got, sorry. Oh, I thought you were okay. Well okay. Not you look like disgusted. Like, why would I keep going? Shut it down. Yeah, a little residual cough from the chestness. Bro, I had to get an inhaler. That's how bad it got. Oh shit. I haven't had an asthma attack since I was like a kid. Now I have an inhaler again. Do you like okay, question for you?
SPEAKER_04Do you like do you like get rid of asthma? Because I had it as a child.
SPEAKER_02I always thought I you did, and people were like, I don't think that's true, girl. I was like, oh, okay. I thought I was like, I thought you grew out of asthma. I don't think you do, apparently.
SPEAKER_04I got asthma, I got asthma. Um asthma cannot be curious.
SPEAKER_02Um asthma cannot be killed. Oh. Okay. Well I still have it. So still have it. Yep, yep, yep. Oh, okay. So it's chronic. Yeah, girl. It's not the chronic.
SPEAKER_04It's not the chronic. Um, right?
SPEAKER_02I was over here like, no, I grew out of it. Everybody was like, girl, no, you didn't. What the fuck? But Denny, um apparently you wanted to talk and give us uh your thoughts or talk about how beautiful Withering Heights was.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god, what a beautiful movie, first and foremost. Um beautiful movie. I understand it was through the lens of a very specific white woman um director, Emerald Fennell, who decided to whitewash um Heathcliff. That's the airport. Um Heathcliff. And in turn erasing a lot of his story. Um, but obviously, like this is her own depiction of the book. Um Wuthering Heights. Yeah, in her quotations. Um beautiful, beautiful, beautiful film. Beautiful, visually stunning. Costuming was good.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna ask what was your favorite costume? Favorite costume and least favorite.
SPEAKER_04Least favorite was probably the one where she was still a little young and she it was like a red corset with like the puff sleeve with like the app like the embroidery or appliques on it. I think they were like little, I don't know if it was like coconuts or hearts, I can't remember exactly. Um, but I think they did that specifically to signify her youthfulness. Um because everything was so like just like the puppy sleeve and like the the fabric that they used was very specific. Um that was probably my least favorite costume, it just looked very um you know the brand Ghani? No, anyway. Um yeah, it just looked very like juvenile, um, which I which is what they wanted to depict her as, so I can't blame them too much for that. Um my favorite one was probably like it was like a black, liquid, silky light refracty.
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_02I think I know what you're talking about because there was some the I there was a black piece that I was like, oh, I know this is so inaccurate and I fucking love this. So yes, yes, yes, yes. When she walked into the living room with that dude looking like she came off the Barbie set in that weird pink dress, the s the sleeveless pink dress that was like, I was like, girl, I I laughed out loud. I couldn't. I was like, what are we doing? I also hated the film, but not because of the reasons you might think, the Heathcliff stuff. I didn't really actually care because I've never read Withering Heights, I've never been curious to read it. I really am uninterested. Um I was just bored, and then I was also like annoyed, and then I was also like, I am not straight enough for this because I really am like you two love each other? Okay. Like I literally was like, Chelsea and I, my other friend who is a lesbian, we were just watching it with another friend who's straight. And we were just like, is this doing something for you? Like, is this really like please tell us? Because I was like, Marg and Jacob, y'all don't have any chemistry. Y'all are like acquaintances that met on set and then they wiped your memory, and then every time you shot the scenes after you finished, they would wipe your memory again. So, like, it was like they were meeting each other for the first time every time they interacted. I liked young Heathcliff, the actor. Oh, he was brilliant.
SPEAKER_04That was he was such a good actor.
SPEAKER_02Uh but the woman that played Nellie, I did like that actress a lot. Yeah, loved her. And the young girl that gets married to him so he can use her or whatever. That's like a dog. Yeah, she I thought she was a good act, she was good in it too. And this was a takeaway from Jacob and Margot. Like they were probably fine in it. I just hated the characters and the way it was written. And I think Emerald Fennel is good at directing and cinematography and should do music videos and direct in general. I agree. I just don't think she should write scripts. But that's maybe, but also it's like maybe your first few scripts aren't that great, right? Like maybe as you progress, your scripts get better, you know? So I want to give her the same grace that we give mediocre men.
SPEAKER_04So did you ever see a promising young woman?
SPEAKER_02I did, and I liked Promising Young Woman. Obviously, like people are debating about like if they like the end or not, or whatever, but like I've seen other films of hers that I like, like even Saltburn. I wasn't like as in love with it because I grew up watching The Talents of Mr. Ripley, so to me that's just a better version of what she was trying to do. But I did like the 2007 Tumblr-esque sort of vibes of the shots, even in the end when he's like wearing the antler crown or the antlers on his head. I was like, oh my god, this is Fallout Boy. Sugar, we're going down. Like, this is like you know, it just reminded me, it was really in that time, so I think she's really great, she has a really great eye, I think.
SPEAKER_04I just yeah, it's beautiful, beautiful cinematography. Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
SPEAKER_02Done. Take a photo of every frame.
SPEAKER_04There was one there was one specific scene that will stick out to me. It's when she's running in the field with her veil trailing behind her, and like it's such a vast field, and it's it's such a pretty, like a beautiful shot. But I agree, like, she should. I don't know, I don't want to put her in a box.
SPEAKER_02Also that, because that's not fair. Yeah. But I also don't think Quentin Tarantino is a good writer. And people love him. Yeah, well, white women love him. Well, men love him. Yeah, I was like, white women, I think white men love him. There are so many, as I've grown up, there are so many like film bro type people that like I've realized I'm like, yeah, they're fine, but like the way the like white film bros are like, no, this is like the greatest film of all time. I'm like, you guys can only name the same five to ten directors, and it's because critics told you to like those people. How about you expand your taste? Or sometimes you guys go to Asia and you talk about Japanese directors that you fucking love. Don't tell, don't tell me I'm lying, because you know it's the truth. Ask them to name three black directors, and they're like, huh? Um uh Ryan Kugler. I'm like, no, no, no. From the 90s and 80s, in that same time period that Taxi Driver, 70s, sorry, and all those other movies that you guys love and want to cape for. Name some other directors. You can't, because y'all only think about those certain directors, and I'm not shitting on all of them because some of them are great directors for a reason. Like, duh. But also.
SPEAKER_04The amount of times I've heard a white guy say, Have you ever seen Reservoir Dogs?
SPEAKER_02I've never seen it and I don't care to. Oh my god. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Like your opinion, and also it's like, then they'll be like, How can you say that? These are like the greats. They're the greats because somebody decided that they were the greats. If I decide some other film is a great, then what else are you gonna say? You ever seen Waiting to Exhale? Forrest Whitaker directed the hell out of that fucking movie.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you ever seen that shit? The album was incredible. The scenes were incredible. I was young, white woman for 11 goddamn years!
SPEAKER_04Waiting to exhale.
SPEAKER_02That Angela Bassett scene? If you can't tell girl, like please, please, you guys, shut up. Shut up.
unknownShut up.
SPEAKER_02I just don't care. I've just realized I really don't respect men.
unknownSorry.
SPEAKER_02Oh.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_02Certain kinds of dudes. Dudes that we've been told we should respect and like revere and blah blah blah. There are plenty of white directors that I love. David Simon is a showrunner and director that I love so much. I love any TV show he's done that I've seen. I'm watching Tremay right now, which is like about the aftermath in New Orleans, the Hurricane Katrina. For those of you that don't know, David Simon's the one who created The Wire. And but I didn't grow up watching The Wire. I just heard everybody talk about it. Yeah, same. And it is great. It's worth the hype. The hype that people say is true. I'm not gonna hate, it's true. But I watched The Deuce. That was a show that I was introduced to with him, and that made me really like it. Um, but yeah, anyway, and there are more women that have directed that show and film, or that show. Um and it's a cast that has way more women in it. So maybe that's also my bias, but anyway, yeah. I just film bros okay.
SPEAKER_04Speaking of like, okay, not to like uh not that I'm derailing the conversation, but you're not another movie that has like really stood out to me visually.
SPEAKER_02Belly is Babelli, it looks like a music video, yeah. Also, and ATL. There are some shots in ATL. I think we talked about this the last time. Yeah, there's there are some shots in that film where I was like, wait, I don't remember it being this beautiful. Like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Babelli, yeah.
SPEAKER_04What was that one other movie with uh Tupac? No, no, no, no. With Bow Wow.
SPEAKER_02Is it one of the dance ones? Because like we can't defend those ones. Denny, I don't think we can defend all those Stomp the Yard drum line. Oh, Roll Bounce, I heard. Okay, yeah, roll bounce, yes. Oh good. Yes, okay. I was about to be like, girl, I don't know. If you're about to name Stomp the Yard, I think we gotta. I love that film. Don't get it twisted. I love it. You got served. That was the one. God, the 2000s Dance Craze films, even if they were kind of shitty, I fucking loved them.
unknownI fucking loved them.
SPEAKER_02It all started with honey for me. Was it honey? Oh, for me it was Save the Last Dance. Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_04Because I feel like that was no go on the Honey DVD.
unknownJesus Christ.
SPEAKER_04On the Honey DVD, they on DVDs, they they always there was always like a special like feature section. Oh, I love that. Um on the Honey DVD, it was uh there was a there was a little segment where you could learn some of the choreography from the movie. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, and it was like I think it was Lorian Gibson.
SPEAKER_02Of course it was Lorianne Gibson. Laureane, I don't even I haven't heard that name in so long, and my brain just like all of a sudden your head is like boom cat.
SPEAKER_04I don't know why Instagram was boom cat, honestly. Which is so funny. Um, but for anyone who doesn't know, Lorianne Gibson is uh is a choreographer who uh was famous in, I believe, in the starting in the 90s and then to the early. Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_02But a prolific she also choreographed Judas by Lady Gaga. Yeah, I mean listen, the girls, the girls that know no, we were there. We remember like she was a dancer. She was a dancer, she was a dance.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's so funny.
SPEAKER_02Um speaking of dance slash music, can I uh there are a couple of songs I wanted to play for you. One to remind you of and then one to just play.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02Um because okay, let's log out of this and then log back in.
SPEAKER_01Do you remember this song?
SPEAKER_06Watch the world around the combo. But it's not like I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Tell me why I had so much insomnia the last like week and a half, and out of nowhere that song got stuck in my head, and I was like, I must listen to it now. I was in my room at like 3 a.m. Like, can they without you? Can't breathe without your Andrew with that, bro.
SPEAKER_04No, amazing.
SPEAKER_02Lindsay, man. The rumors beyond that.
SPEAKER_04The like list where it said Lindsay Lohan over. I was like, is she over? I didn't know. I was like, no, this is her song. Oh is this the same era as like rumors?
SPEAKER_02Yes. I'm tired of rumors starting.
SPEAKER_03I'm sick of being followed, I'm tired of people lying.
SPEAKER_02Stop, stop, stop, daughter the father, daughter the father. Stop confessions of a broken heart. Would you believe me if I told you that I had written a fan fiction and then when you could embed music on the chapters, I embedded that song in one of the chapters.
SPEAKER_04Wow, I can believe that. Bro, we used to code, man. We used to code. I could build a website like oh my god, Shopify.
SPEAKER_02I used to build websites, but actually, um, I don't think that that confessions of a broken heart was the same one.
SPEAKER_04No, it was a different album.
SPEAKER_02Because she had blonde hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, I haven't seen this in so long. I wait for the postman to bring me a letter. Even the thumbnail. Look at this thumbnail. Hold on.
SPEAKER_04So sad. It's the one where she's like sitting, right?
SPEAKER_02No, she's like, it's like they're in all these different vignettes or something.
SPEAKER_04In this shot, in this shot, she's like sitting on the ground, like.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yes, hold on, wait. Because you know, she loved to have hair in her face. That her bangs were banging. Oh, and this is when they used to actually like talk about the drama in tea. Yeah. In music videos. And that was her mom in the video. No, no, no. What? Sorry. I don't think so. But her mom was in the video, I think. Yeah. Girl, this eyeliner. And her little sister was in it. This is her sister. I remember that. Oh my god. Lindsay Love and the act. Bro, Lindsay was acting. And then the whole thing about how it's an audience watching. Bro, actually, this is brilliant. This is brilliant.
SPEAKER_04Her punching the water in the tub.
SPEAKER_02Bro, this was brilliant. This was brilliant. This is art.
SPEAKER_04This is good. Lindsay! Wow.
SPEAKER_02Domestic violence? Guys, we used to write meaningful music. Yeah, we honestly did. Oh my god, bro. I can't believe I forgot about that. I'm gonna be listening to that when we get off this. Honestly. We're gonna do a whole Lindsay Lemon retrospective.
SPEAKER_04Not us both singing daughter to father. Honestly. Maybe even a little bit too close to home.
SPEAKER_02A little bit. Home. When I think of home, I think of a place that we are just okay, anyway. I was gonna say speaking of home, but I actually have no transition for that. Me too. What else do you want to talk about?
SPEAKER_07I don't know. Dennis.
SPEAKER_04I have some. Um speaking of um. So speaking of home, there's also I wanted to talk about Alpine divorces.
SPEAKER_02Do you know what those are? What the hell? Yeah, you sent me that and I was like.
SPEAKER_04I'm so glad you didn't look it up. Um so an alpine divorce is basically where a couple will go on a hike. A usually a very difficult hike. And he abandons her.
SPEAKER_02Right! Oh my god! I thought you were gonna say usually a couple goes on a hike and then the wife disappears.
SPEAKER_04Um, well, I mean, basically, yeah, because he abandons her. Um, so this was made really popular. I kind of went on like a little bit of a radical deep dive. Um, where uh there was this couple in, I think it was in Austria, and they were climbing to the summit of a mountain, and the mountain was about 12,000 feet um like in altitude, and they were about 150 feet from the summit. Um all of a sudden it's getting really dark, uh and she is getting worried about just being safe. Um in her, I guess, frantic energy, he ends up leaving her behind. And she passes of hypothermia.
SPEAKER_02That's not alpine divorce, that's a murder. What the fuck? That's manslaughter, at least.
SPEAKER_04So he did get charged for manslaughter. This story was made went a little bit viral, and uh a few Well, a bunch of people, a bunch of women started making TikToks about how they were also left like close to the summit, and their partner never spoke to them ever again. And it's like you must really hate your partner.
SPEAKER_02It's like who the fuck is raising these these quote unquote men? Who the fuck is raising these people? Yeah, it's crazy. I don't care how mad I am at you, I'm not leaving your ass on a summit. Yeah, you piss me the fuck off. When we get down this fucking mountain, I'm gonna dump your ass and then I won't talk to you again. But to leave, bro. Yeah, yeah. That is so this took a dark side. Well, actually, I mean the Lindsay Lohan video, the domestic violence connection, it kind of it kind of all fits. It kind of gets together.
SPEAKER_04Unfortunately. Yeah. So um the Alpine. So I looked up. Um there's a lot of Alpine divorce like uh conversation going on on Reddit. Especially.
SPEAKER_02So fucking twisted. Isn't it? Honestly, whoever's parents, like I really, you know what it should be? Sorry, before you read the Reddit thing. No, no, no. It should be that any single time like you have a new partner, your parents and that new partner get to sit down with every single one of your exes and have them talk to the talk to your your family and your new partner about the kind of person you are. Let's just see.
SPEAKER_04Like a pre-screening.
SPEAKER_02Because you know, I'm actually not afraid to have that happen. I'm sure some exes will be like, yeah, Keniji could be a bit much, or like whatever. Like, I'm sure they'll have some things, but for the most part, you ain't you can't say no crazy shit like I left you somewhere. What the fuck? No, because that's fucked.
SPEAKER_04Um, so I was going through a deep dive on Reddit, and a few people are like saying, like, oh shit, I went through the same thing. So there's one that says here, um, this dude took me up to the top of a mountain at night on his motorcycle, then drove off and left me there. Hello? And then your parents should be ashamed, and so should you. What the fuck? Absolutely. Um, they continue to say he eventually came back for me, but it was terrifying and humiliating, just the sense of powerlessness.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Fuck. This is the other thing. This, like, this is the other part of it. We let not let. I feel like women sometimes it's hard because you can't have your cake and eat it too, right? Like, in terms of wanting to be infantilized, in a way, of like wanting a man to protect and provide for you and take care of you and handle things. Because people want to feel that way. I think with any partner. I'm saying this is somebody that knows. Also, I came out on Instagram as a lesbian, but I don't know if I told y'all. Anyway, knowing that I don't want to be with a man, it doesn't matter. I still want to be with somebody that would have that sort of mindset because that's the kind of mindset I have. I'm very femme, but I also think taking care of people and like having a sort of people describe that as a masculine trait, whatever, however you want to describe it. I think that that is important. However, I want to be able to be able to stand on my own two feet and be independent. And this is a shitty part of it of like you want the quote unquote benevolent patriarch, which seems good on paper, but then they're still infantilizing you. It's still a daddy-daughter situation. Do you know what I mean? Wow, maybe the Lindsay Lohan theme was the entire episode. Girl, Lindsay, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_04That's so anyway. Sorry. No, no, nothing to apologize for. Um, another comment here says when I was 21, I was dating a climber who taught me how to climb. I was really naive and thought his explosive anger when climbing, hiking, or backpacking was due to my beginner status. Right. Anyway. You're not gonna be yelling at me while we do that. No, no, God no. Um they continue to say, anyway, he never fully abandoned me. One time he abandoned me at the parking lot of a small local mountain in Oregon. The police pulled him over on his way out of the park, and I was walking down the road. The police told him that if he ever did that again, they would arrest him. And then they continue to say, anyway, that wasn't the last time he abandoned me. Sorry. Um, he would just be filled with rage and either stomp off down the trail or throw my things off cliffs or the trail itself.
SPEAKER_01Girls, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_04I finally wise up and accepted that he was abusive and left him.
SPEAKER_02Crazy. You have one time to talk crazy or act crazy to me before it's over. I had one ex tell call me a cunt and tell me that sometimes they wish they could push my head into a wall. And I remember they walked, yeah, we got into a fight. That was that was anyway, white white boy rage is scary. Yeah, what? Like, men in general are scary, but white boy rage is scary. It's something different. Anyway, uh, I remember walking his ass out of the apartment being like, if you ever threaten me again, if you ever threaten me again, you and I are gonna have a lot more, a lot more problems. I don't know who the who you dated in the past, yeah, but I'm crazy. I may be nice, I may be cute, I may be somebody that likes to see the good in people and give people the benefit of the doubt.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But if you try me, I will kill you. Yeah. Well, yes. We obviously did not keep seeing each other, but anyway, I think we probably stayed together a little bit longer after that because I was like 21, 22, so naive and whatever, thinking like, okay. But either way, yeah, no. My biggest thing is always, I've had bosses that have tried to yell and curse at me, and I've been like, girl, you could take that attitude somewhere else. I could get a job anywhere. I don't let my dad yell at me like this. So why the fuck would I let any strange man that I don't know? The fuck?
SPEAKER_04The second you yell at me, I'm no.
SPEAKER_02This is the thing. I'm like, I cut off my parents. It ain't nothing to smack you upside the head for saying something crazy to me. You think because you signed my checks, I'm gonna respect you? That's funny. I I actually, the fact that you're authority makes me disrespect you even more. Because whose ass did you have to lick to get here? Damn. I really don't respect that. Uh yeah, they booty suckers. Just sucking booty. Yep. I really, I really have a problem with authority. It's why I'm self-employed. Like people may be surprised to hear how much attitude I've had in jobs, but I'm actually a carnivorous cunt when I've been working at certain jobs that I can't stand. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04That was good.
SPEAKER_02Right? Especially if I'm gonna quit the job. Oh, yeah. The way I've quit some jobs. Hey, have you ever walked out? Not walked out, but there have been. I just remember there, there's one job that required, it was like a more reception job. Yeah. And the manager was really getting on my damn nerves and was trying to, he tried to do the thing where he was like, you know, this is your last week, so just keep everything respectful and blah blah. The minute you talk to me like that, I'm going to be an asshole. So I sent an email to everybody saying, Thank you so much, guys. Um, don't give me extra money. Don't it was something about points, like we had points, so I was asking people for points about something. It was some point system we had, it was ridiculous. But um, yeah, I would have left it alone, but then he came and talked to me, and I was like, okay. So I messaged everybody to like say, hey guys, it turns out I can't ask you guys for points. But I CC'd him in the email and continued to write, don't give me points for showing up for shifts, don't give me points for covering people's shifts when no one's here. I basically laid out all my grievances about how much this job sucks and everything that I've done that they didn't appreciate. It's like, don't give me points for this, don't give me points for that, blah, blah. And then he had the nerve to be like, stop sending these rude and disrespectful emails. And so my response, Dennis, I'm such a brat. I went, rightyo, boss. I literally typed rightyo boss with a period. And I was on that last shift, and he was like, you know, you don't have to stay for the rest of it. And I was like, I'm gonna finish copying my stuff on here and then I'll leave.
unknownDamn.
SPEAKER_02I was like, you gonna arrest me? Like, what are you gonna do? I like the one way to get me to curse you out and be super disrespectful is for you to try to tell me how I should move and how I should be. Don't try to boss me around.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Don't. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Wait, so there was a meritocracy system at your old job?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. It was a remote, like it was a I was a receptionist at some executive gym. And I remember I was reading the what's it called, American Psycho book when I first started working there, which is way more disturbing than the film. And I was looking at all these business dudes like fucking weirdos. Jesus. Yeah. No, like but yeah. Weird. Anyway, hope he's dead. Or is having A really terrible time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he probably is having a really terrible time, even if he is dead.
SPEAKER_02I I don't care. And he's I had one boss try to like yell at me. He always had tantrums and would yell and scream and stuff, and a lot of times we'd ignore it. But then one day he decided to direct that anger in my direction. And hi, I was not the one, two, or the seven. So a manager asked me to do something. He's he was just yelling in general, so it wasn't technically directed at me, but I took it per I took that personally.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because he I had to move some chairs, some shit, and he was like, they don't fucking go over there, they fucking go over here. And Dennis, when somebody curses at me, I see black.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02It's the one way. The minute I'm talking to someone, if we're arguing and you curse at me, I see black. I actually, you don't recognize the person that you're talking to after that. And I'm not a violent person initially, but I will say things that will stay with you till your deathbed. I cursed my brother out via text message, and when I went back and read it after I blocked him, I was like, I would never speak to me again if I ever read this. Yeah, that's fair. I'd actually like I read it back and I was like, good job, Khadija, but also damn. Like, I was actually shocked by what I had written. I'm very articulate when I'm angry. When I'm filled with rage, I am incredibly articulate and very cutting. So after he calmed down, because one of the other managers talked to him and was like, the way you yelled at those girls down there was so disrespectful and shameful and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cool, whatever. He came down to apologize to one of the other girls. She's worked for him for a long time. I would, I was working for him for like about three years or so. He came down, he tried to touch me and say, darling, I'm so sorry he was British. I literally was like, Don't talk to me right now. And it is, I don't accept your apology, and it is inappropriate. Walk away from me. And then he walked away. And I had that job still, and he never yelled at me again because he didn't have the nerve to. Because everybody else was still scared. The girl was trying to be like, one of the girls was like, oh, Khadija, you should. I was like, don't tell me what I should do. I was like, I don't let my father or any man talk to me like that. Don't ever, I could get a job anywhere. Fuck off. Sorry, this is a long rant. I just hate men in authority that are emotional, that are lack of a better word, lack imagination, are very untalented, probably get money from their parents to start up their businesses, and then they run through staff like crazy because they don't know how to actually manage people or relate to people. They just think that they're daddy. You're not daddy. I will cut your dick off and shove it down your throat in front of everybody in the staff. Don't fucking try me.
SPEAKER_03And that's the case.
SPEAKER_02A man, a man that's hiring hates to see me. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Unless you're in the arts. I've never had issues with men in the arts, let's say. It's always been like shitty jobs, like restaurant jobs or corporate jobs, that I'm just like, I don't have to do this. Everybody in here is pissing me off. Also, who the fuck are you? All y'all are pissing me off. The incompetence and the lack of social skills. Get the fuck out of my face.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, really. Even like the lack of like emotional intelligence.
SPEAKER_02That part, you cannot be yelling at your staff having literally, you're a grown man having tantrums.
SPEAKER_04Yes. Yes. I used to work with someone like that.
SPEAKER_02That's not disturbing to you at all.
SPEAKER_04I used to work with someone like that too. Crazy.
SPEAKER_02The amount of men that have tantrums at their jobs, especially in positions of power because they know they can't get fired, but they think no employees are gonna say anything, and most times none of them do. You don't want to meet me. And this is why Khadija's a freelancer. And this is why I'm self-employed. I'm telling y'all, I really do not respect men in authority that do not know how to actually stand in anyone in authority, not just men, because I've had this issue with women bosses too. There are some women bosses that I've just girl. And most of the other bosses like me and will keep me because they know I work hard, they know I have logic and sense, and they know that what I'm saying is correct and nobody else is saying it.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02I might just have autism and I can't stand people being annoying. Maybe that's it.
SPEAKER_04Um the thing is, like in the workplace, you gotta choose, you gotta be at least one of two things. You gotta be likable or you gotta be a good worker.
SPEAKER_02And I'm both. I'm both too. Every job I've been at, I'm both. The only time someone didn't like me is because their asses were not very likable or very good at their jobs. Yeah. Fuck it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um you guys are getting to know the Scorpio moon side of me. Me too. I never told you about this, bro. My favorite thing to do is to curse out a boss that's pissed me off. Yeah. But a boss that knows what they're doing, I will work so hard. For there have been managers that I've had that I will. What shit do you need covered? What do you need me to do? Anything you need, I got you. Oh, something from behind. Okay, well, maybe not that, but no, we're not. Speaking of men that people hate, uh, you hear about this Timothy Chalamet stuff?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, where he was talking about um his mom. Um he was his mom is a ballet dancer.
SPEAKER_01Yes, okay. I was like, uh he spells his name with two E's.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I'm not T, he's French. I know he was French, but I didn't know he spelled it with two E's.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, what a weirdo. Um I think he's in a French. He's in his like. Yeah. He's in his like. I don't like him right now. A lot of people. I wasn't like really ever.
SPEAKER_02No, I've never been a huge fan of his work. Like, it's not, I've never, he's not somebody that's gonna make me go out to the theater to see a film. Like, I haven't seen Marty Supreme and I'm not really that curious to see it. Yeah. If I watch it, I watch it. It's not he's not a draw to me in terms of cinema. But that's why I think it's so funny that everybody is taking his opinion so seriously. Because I'm like, if it's somebody that you actually don't respect or care for, why are you so upset about his opinion? It's giving he's a like popular douchey guy in high school, and you guys are all mad that he's shat on your hobby. But the girls got mad when I said that. They were all in my comments pissed, and I was like, Really? Fuck your feelings. He was right. I don't care.
SPEAKER_04Damn. Um yeah, I mean, to be fair, like it's not something that people care about.
SPEAKER_02Like the I'm like, I was like, can any of you name five contemporary opera singers? Name me three contemporary ballet dancers.
SPEAKER_04I can name one. And only her first name.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, I'm not trying to say this, and I'll talk less about ballet because I don't know ballet, but with opera, like, people just, yeah. I basically made a video saying that I agreed because I was like, where did he say that those things aren't hard, they're not beautiful art forms or whatever. He said the thing that probably a lot of actors and a lot of artists and performers would I don't want to be a part of a dying art form because he wants to be a popular guy, he wants to be known, he wants to have fame and notoriety. I don't think he's hid in that. So, okay, but like everybody in the opera world, I'm like, you guys care more about this than you do about people still doing blackface in some operas. Why don't you get upset about that? Why don't you get upset about the fact that opera also has a sex pest problem with conductors and people in positions of authority? Why don't you get more upset? Yeah, James Levine was like this huge conductor. Like you see him in so many performances, and his look is very unique. But he was a bit of a sexist. It's just like, and he's not the only one, but the opera world is just so up their own asses about shit. It's just so irritating to me. Like, I just don't like bullshit. Like, I don't think I one, I don't respect Timothy Chalamet's opinion about arts and things, so it's not like I'm like, oh my god, how dare he say that? Like, if someone like Beyonce or Lady Gaga said that because I actually respect them as artists and care about their opinions in terms of that, I don't care what about their opinions in terms of politics and stuff like that, because they're not politicians, I don't care. But their opinion about art and creativity in that way, I mean, okay, I don't care about their opinion about politics to an extent. Everything to an extent, obviously. But their if Beyoncé said some shit about that, I would be offended and I would feel hurt because I'd be like, damn, girl, this is a beautiful art form. You should get into it. I don't care about Timothy Chalamet's opinion on much, and he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that I would sit down and have a deep conversation with. I don't know him, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of person. So why would I get that upset about him having an opinion about an art form that I love?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. It's really it really is just because he's popular.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, unless I realize, oh, he's popular, and also I care that the popular guy likes the things that I like. Like, I just was like, guys, can you guys unpack your feelings on why you're so upset about this? We were like, it's just the way he was so dismissive. And do you know how many people say that they don't give a shit about opera, that opera's boring, that it's this, that, and the third? There are plenty of people that have even more credentials than Timothy Chalamet that talk about it being ain't shit.
SPEAKER_04Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_02But y'all don't get upset about that because also you want engagement.
SPEAKER_05Ooh.
SPEAKER_02All of these opera pages, this is the most engagement the Met has had since cast stunt casting Sandra Ow in one of their operas. Why is Sandra Owen in opera?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Lovingly, I love her down. Yeah. I love the Lady Gaga movies. What the fuck she know about camera? Like, I love Sandra O'Man. It was a speaking role, but still, girl, like what I was like, if you hate it so much, go do something. And people were pissed. I literally, Dennis, I posted the video and then I deleted Instagram again because I hadn't been on for like a week and I was like, I want to just keep taking this break. I opened it to DM the studio that I go to about some exchange thing that I had to do, and he was like, You have to DM me. 100k views, and I was like, here we fucking go.
SPEAKER_00And so many people are like, Meh meh meh, I you agree. Boop boop boop boop boop boo. What he said was mean, what he said wasn't nice. People should care about opera, but they don't.
SPEAKER_02Doja Cat literally went on her little stupid rant, and then the next day was like, actually, I don't know anything about opera or ballet, so I shouldn't have really been saying all that stuff, the performative outrage of it all. It's just no one has cared about opera. Opera has not been the public zeitgeist in so long, since Timothy Chalamet uttered the words opera and ballet, and now you ho's want attention. Now you ho's are like, oh, finally, people are paying attention to us. But it's in a negative because he said something bad. You're still capitalizing off the fact that he gave you the attention, ho. I'm just so like, this is why I can't with the internet because I'm just like, you guys are fake and phony. You're mad about the wrong things, you get upset about the wrong things, and you like to point the dumbest shit. Like, yeah, some people had the nerve to be like, uh, I just wouldn't cape for a white guy like this. Who is caping for a white man? All I said was, his views are right. I didn't go, you guys should not be mean to Timothy. Why are you talking? I didn't even spell his name right. You didn't know how to spell the two E's. I just found out he had two E's. And y'all think I'm this pressed about Timothy? No, I care about the art form, which is why I put on shows and hire performers. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Which is why I sell out shows. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Which is why I sell out shows doing opera. I wanted to ask anybody in the comments have any of you done that? Which is why I made a music program to have a summer program that was free for students, because that was a problem of accessibility. That's why opera's so damn white. And Asian, actually. It's mostly white and Asian.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Because Asian parents, there are so many programs they invest in music in their children from a young age. Yeah. Nobody that looks like me should be in opera. Not saying that we aren't there, which is also why I wrote a comment listing out several opera singers that you guys could follow since you don't know any. So let me give you resources and show you what I've done. But y'all just like to get online and complain and then try to hide and act like you're not learn about your feelings and emotions. It really is just because he's suit he's like the popular guy. You're right. Like it's all just a high school thing. And I'm like, if the most popular guy in high school said that they didn't give a shit about opera, I wouldn't give a shit.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_02And if they were right about it, I would say, well, they actually do kind of have a point because I don't hate. I acknowledge when people have a point, even if I don't like the point. I don't love that it's true that a lot of people don't like opera or care about it. That's not a good feeling. But he's not a right. But if I want people to care about it, then I'm gonna do something. Exactly. Like most opera companies do the same tired shows, do the same set design. Somebody was a set designer and tried to comment, and I was like, girl, who are we kidding? All of your sets, all the guys' sets look the same. You guys have the same white backdrop in some giant car or some shit on the stage, people singing in this minimalist ass thing, and then they have the nerve to put a 40-year-old woman in a blue wig and some fake tattoos. But if you actually look like that and you audition for an opera young artist program, they say you have too strong of a look. I was in opera school. The first week they were telling us about how to dress when we're going to auditions, wearing A-line skirts for girls.
SPEAKER_05A-line, damn.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Make sure that your skirt isn't too high above your knee. Damn. The way that you dress when you go to auditions and you see people dress, it feels like something out of the 60s. I'm just like, you guys are so sorry. I clearly, I clearly had a lot to say about this. Because these people, I'm just mad at so many people. And look at that. I can acknowledge that I'm mad because I understand my feelings.
SPEAKER_04And it's like a it's like a horde mentality thing, too.
SPEAKER_02Yes! You guys, stop! This is the other thing. I hate a follower ass bitch. I hate a follower ass bitch that can't form their own opinion.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, every conversation I've ever had with opera singers is about how opera is antiquated and outdated. Somebody tried to say, oh, it's antiquated and outdated? You know nothing about opera. I was like, guess I should burn my degree. And also, you need to Google what the word antiquated means. Yeah. Because it is. People in the 60s could name opera singers. Because they were still somewhat in the public sight, guys, and we're still kind of celebrities. You had opera singers on the Ed Sullivan show. I think the last time I saw an opera singer on late night was Pretty Yende singing, I think Bel Rajo or something like that, on Stephen Colbert.
SPEAKER_04Hey, I'm Stephen Colbert.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he seems to love the arts. But yeah, anyway, it's just like I'm like, every conversation I've ever had with an opera singer is about how outdated opera is, how the audiences are dying. You ever I'm like, most of y'all have never even been in a room where you're sitting with a bunch of opera donors. I have. It's a silver storm. As in it is all old people, old white people with the money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Anyway, you can please feel free to interject. I'm just these people really pissed me the fuck off this week.
SPEAKER_04People just say pissed me off this week. How people will really apply the horde mentality to the most mundane things that they've never even batted an eyelash at.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like there's some people that are upset with him for the comment because they just hate Timothy Chalamet. Just say you hate him and everything he says annoys you. Just say that. Yeah. Because his comments weren't incorrect. Because if you're that person and you know nothing about opera or ballet, you have no reason to be mad at the specific comment. You could just say I don't like him. And this is another thing he said that pissed me off. And then there are people that are in the opera world that are upset about the comment, and I'm confused by that because I'm like, why do you care so much what Timothy has to say? This is the most attention y'all have gotten in years. Seattle Opera was like, use code Timothy to get 14% off. Shut up. All you shut up. Because you know that if anyone is under the age of 35 or 30, you are giving away tickets. They are constantly giving away tickets for people that are young because they are desperate to get young people in the audience. I'm like, I know professional opera singers that don't even stay for entire operas. These are people that have been booked and busy at the biggest opera houses in the world. That have told me to my face, girl, I'm not saying for that whole thing. I'ma leave it in commission. I just hate when people get mad when people tell the truth. That's what pisses me off, I've realized. Like it's an observable fact. Look at the numbers, look at the stats. Somebody tried to be like, well, I'd argue that the digital world is gonna be a dying art form soon. No, because you hoes are addicted to your devices.
SPEAKER_04Throw up TBT to that one comment we got. Right?
SPEAKER_02I think about that all the time. I'm so haunted by that. I feel bad for that person because I'm like, damn, you really might have had an addiction. But, girl, you think that the online is gonna be dying anytime soon? You hoes can't go an hour without logging on. So what do you mean it's gonna be a dying art form? Girl, please. People are like, they've been saying opera's been dying forever. The death has been slow, but it has been happening. Because opera used to be popular, people used to care. I could walk out on the street in the 50s and ask someone to name three opera singers and they could do it. I cannot do that now. Three opera singers of somebody, somebody could be in their 30s, and I could have asked that. You cannot do that now. So stop, stop, don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining. Stop. Because I I just hate, don't play in my fucking face.
SPEAKER_04I love that saying, it's so funny.
SPEAKER_02We finish opera and people are like, oh my gosh, thank you so much. I've never, I'm like becoming an opera fan. I'm so curious about this. You have people doing interesting shit with opera to make it accessible and make it interesting and make it adjustable for the times because it has not evolved enough for the times. Because old donors are too scared to do anything interesting. I want to see a production of La Traviata set in a motherfucking strip club. Violetta, the main character, she's a prostitute, right? Let's do it in a fucking strip club. What the fuck is up with that? No, you guys are too afraid. And you guys act like composers never fucking had sex when all of them had syphilis. Oh my god, shut up! Shut up! Y'all are so fucking annoying. Shut the fuck up. And go do something. Go fucking practice. Go put on a production, go hire other artists, go make opera more accessible or interesting to people, or make opera more accessible and interesting to young people. Figure that shit out and use your creative brain. But opera doesn't allow for that because it actually just wants you to you guys make everything so rote and everybody has to perform everything the same way. Coming into the opera world from a being a jazz background, I was shocked at how hard it was for some people to just harmonize. To just be able to feel the music and vibe. It's not to say all singers are like opera singers are like that. No, no, no, no. But the ones that just focus on opera and that's all they're interested in. Girl, y'all, stop pissing me off. Sorry. I didn't realize I was this mad.
SPEAKER_04Let it out, let it out.
SPEAKER_02Your face. I'm like, you said, shut the fuck up. Y'all.
SPEAKER_07So good.
SPEAKER_02So those of you that don't know, I'm very passionate about this because I literally have a degree in this. I tell y'all all the time, this is the only thing I might actually be qualified to talk about. I don't know why y'all let me talk about socio-political issues. I have half a sociology degree. Like, I say it all the time. I've never hidden that. I literally dropped out and went and did music. I've been singing since I was in kindergarten, guys. Like, please. There's one thing I'm gonna be upset about, it's this. Anyway. I need to breathe. I'm like sweating. Getting on my damn nerves. Activating my sciatica. Oh my god. Stop. Oh my god. Is there anything you would like to upsettingly rant about? Cutting room floor? There were some TV shows you were talking about.
unknownYes, yes.
SPEAKER_02I'm done talking about.
SPEAKER_04Talking about this now. Um, so uh yeah, there are two like uh really great long form podcasts, and also I guess they're like it's like long form video content. Um we're doing a very soft pivot. Um so I just realized I'm talking very softly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I've been screaming. The audience needs that. We need to bring it down. Um I love the cutting room floor. The clips that I've seen, I I've really enjoyed.
SPEAKER_04She's fab. Um her name is Rachel Amandi, and she um has had a podcast for quite a few years now.
SPEAKER_02Um and I love that it's only on Patreon. Like she'll post clips, but it's like, bitch, you gotta pay for it.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So good. Um so uh I'll read you guys like a little bit of an intro just so people can get a little um familiarized with it. Um so it says here Rachel Amondi is a designer living in New York City. After 15 years in the fashion industry, she launched The Cutting Room 4, a podcast of deep dive interviews with members of the fashion industry. Um she's so good at questions. Yeah, I like good at talking to her guests.
SPEAKER_02I really the first interview I saw of her was her in-law Roach when she was confronting him about Annie Lebowitz's photography style. And I just loved the conversation because it just felt honest and it didn't feel like she was shying away from being like, law, come on now. Like, yeah, too many of these influencer interviewers that haven't been in these industries for as long as she is, get a mic, get an Osmo Pocket three creator pack, and are like, well, looks like I can interview people, and it's like it's not that easy.
SPEAKER_04I think um some someone who comes to mind when when you say that is um Alex Cooper. Call her daddy.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I can't with that show.
SPEAKER_04I can't stand her. I can't stand her.
SPEAKER_02Again, this is nothing against her personally because I do not know her, and you have to say that to people every day now because everybody takes every opinion as a personal attack. You know how again, understand your fucking emotions. Sorry. But yeah, she's not a good interviewer.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. With Rachel, like her questions are so well thought out. She does so much research beforehand. She watches everything that these people that her the people that she brings on, like what they do. Um, one that really stood out to me recently was the one with JT from The City Girls.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I saw little clips of that uh before I had deleted TikTok. And I thought that it was really interesting because it's like you pull something out of somebody that, like, if you can do an interview that makes an audience see someone in a way that they didn't see them before, girl.
SPEAKER_04Fab. I love it. Um, there was another one that she did with um Steve Madden, because that one was the viral. Steve Madden was fab. Like that probably's also just funny. People were talking about him for weeks. Like he's he was just so for anyone who doesn't know Steve Madden is um a shoe, he's a guy um who has a shoe company who uh famously does called Steve Madden. Called Steve Madden, who famously does um like dupes of very current runway like looks. Uh been a fan for uh well over a decade. Love a good dupe. Yeah, love a good dupe. Um and he is so forthcoming about his dupe, his dupes, I guess. Um, and it was so refreshing just to be like, hell yeah, I copy all of them. The fuck? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, he also was like, bro, I've been to jail. It was for white collar crime, so yeah, he went to jail too, which is really interesting. He has a refreshing honesty to him, and I think that's the space that Rachel provides people to be able to just yeah, have a refreshing honesty in a conversation.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Um and yeah, I love it. I love, love, love that show. Um, and then another one that I wanted to bring up is called Fashion Neurosis. Um, so the this is really, really interesting. Um, so the host of this podcast called Fashion Neurosis, her name is Bella Freud. Um, Bella Freud. And she is indeed the granddaughter of Sigmund.
SPEAKER_02Is she actually?
SPEAKER_04She actually is. Stop, Bella, that's so good. It's really great. It's really, really great. Girl, that's brilliant. Yeah. She's had um, it's mostly like fashion people, um, but it's kind of like a deep dive. So the specific uh why I love this podcast, it literally frames whoever she's interviewing. Like she they're literally laying down, like in a therapy session. Ah, brilliant. And it's so interesting. Brilliant! So people that she's had uh on her show include Courtney Cox, um, Zadie Smith, uh Kate Moss. Uh Zadie Smith is an essayist. Um, let me hold on, let me think she's gonna be.
SPEAKER_02Because I just Googled her because I'm curious about this, Bella Freud. This is cool.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you need to listen. So good.
SPEAKER_02And I also just I love she has a suit on right now. I love she's put that shit on. This suit right here she got on. Yeah, she looks good.
SPEAKER_04Um, so it says you're taking after the practice of psychoanalysis. Each hour-long episode resembles a therapy session with the interviewee lying down on the couch. The podcast seeks to foster conversations that tackle the relationship between fashion and emotional health, or what Virginia Wolfe referred to as frock consciousness. Oh, this is good. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, she You see that, guys, someone contributing into the world instead of just complaining.
SPEAKER_04She's had really fab guests, for example, me at the end. That was shady.
SPEAKER_02I apologize. I apologize, sorry, you continue. That was really fucking shady. I apologize, guys. That was but that that wasn't for a lot of y'all, but who it was for some of your feelings were hurt. Some of y'all, your feelings were hurt. Your booty clenched up a little bit, you were activated. Unpack that. Don't comment on me. Unpack your own feelings about why you feel that way. Anyway. Literally. Still being shady, bro.
SPEAKER_04Mia Khalifa, not with Khalifa. It's like black and yellow, black and yellow. Um Mia Khalifa. Uh, who else? Uh Ocean Vlong was on it. Um Rosalia was on it. Um I'd be curious to see Rosalia's interview, though. She's had Esther Perell.
SPEAKER_02I fucking love Esther Perell, bro. That would be a fun conversation. She's had Debbie Harry from Blondie. See, and the thing is she's interviewing people that I think are very interesting, that people, as well as Rachel from the cutting room floor, like they're people, some of them are in the public site, guys, some of them might not be, but they're interesting. Yes. And they're maybe not the quote unquote most popular influencer celebs. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, that's so okay. I'm I've never heard of this, but I'm definitely gonna check out the interviews.
SPEAKER_04So good. Um, her first interview was with um Rick Owens, uh, American designer. Um, and then she's also had do you know who Daphne Guinness is, heir to the Guinness? I mean, that makes sense, but no, I don't know who she is. She's Fab. You need to look her up. She's absolutely faboosh. Love her. Um one person who isn't necessarily like uh front-facing famous, um, but is very well known in their specific craft is as Devlin. Does that name sound familiar to you? No. Um, okay, so we've made it this far, and I'm just now mentioning Beyonce. I just want to flight.
SPEAKER_02We, this is a record. No, no, because I mentioned Beyonce earlier when I said respecting opinions. Damn! Fuck! Okay. I'm sorry, anyway.
SPEAKER_04Um, so remember the sorry, I just want to get this right.
SPEAKER_02No worries. This is very this is the perfect energy we needed after what just happened. This is actually see y'all, we have passion, and then we're gonna bring you guys down.
SPEAKER_04Um, so formation world tour. Formation world tour. As Devlin was the um stage designer of the human monolith, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Rectangle, or not rectangle, I guess.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, it's not a rectangle because it's 3D.
SPEAKER_04She also did Renaissance. Um like she designed the entire set. Oh. She has also done, she's done Adele. Um, she's done That's my dream.
SPEAKER_02She's done a lot of. I need to see Adele. Dennis, we need to see Adele live together. We talk about this all the time. If I don't see her before I die, or she does, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
unknownSame.
SPEAKER_02Probably just die. I think we should go each other. I think we should just make a mutual pack now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, honestly.
SPEAKER_02Hopefully you guys send this to Adele.
SPEAKER_04So she's like, the fuck is this?
unknownFuck.
SPEAKER_04She's in she's in her carnival costume.
unknownLike, stop.
SPEAKER_04She's my favorite black.
SPEAKER_02The look in your face, ex- well, the fear she had you stop.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god. Oh my god, stop, Dennis. Um so if anyone doesn't know about Ez Devlin, um, please, please, please look into her work. The amount of work that she, the amount of like um just time, research, passion that goes into these projects is actually quite admirable.
SPEAKER_02Um can I just say that I am always so amazed and in awe of how much you know about the fashion world and just design and that sort of creativity in general and how unassuming it is. Like you'll just kind of like all of a sudden just start talking about stuff and go into detail, and I'm like, what the fuck did this come from? Yeah, because sometimes when I ask you, like, what are you doing in your free time? You're like, Yeah, I just gotta hang out. I'm like, okay.
unknownLike, what?
SPEAKER_04Next minute, I'm like, did you know? Um, yeah, I mean, uh, I used to run a fashion tumbler, like it was it used to be and I sold it, like it used to be a thing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02You sorry, I thought you sold your fashion tumbler. I was like, you could do that? What? Yeah. Dennis, you need to explain this to the audience because I um yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_04I ran a fashion tumbler um and I had accrued so many followers that I didn't really want to do it anymore. Um so I sold it to someone who just wanted the URL, like the URL and the followers, I guess.
SPEAKER_02I love you. The only Tumblr I knew that you had was the Beyonce one. The stand account. That's the only Tumblr I knew you had. But this one, that is so cool!
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was running like I think at that point I was running two, three? The Beyonce one, the fashion one, and then my own. I have always especially like clothing and like fashion in general, I've always been like super um research driven and like you know if I if I'm very like if I see a picture, I like it, I have to look who shot it, who styled it, etc.
SPEAKER_05etc.
SPEAKER_04So that it kind of like branches out into many other things. But yeah, if anyone has any time to look into Ez Devlin's work, please do. Um E S Space D-E-V-L-I-N.
SPEAKER_02Wait, I'm gonna type it in because I'm also gonna look into this other person. So E-S Space.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, D-E-V L-I-N. Um, yeah, she's done a lot of work in theater too. So I think you might even recognize some of her work, you just don't know her name. Um, so she's done a lot of Broadway work for uh she's won a Tony. Um yeah. You like Wow and I think these are the sets that you would probably appreciate, not like the sets that you were shitting on.
SPEAKER_02Um the opera ones that, yeah, lack imagination. Like I like a spectacle. If I'm gonna go to a show in a theater, like it's not to say that there isn't time for minimalism, that there isn't a time and a place for some sort of I saw an opera a few weeks ago with Chelsea called Clowns. That was brilliant. And the set wasn't super like incredible, and it was kind of in the sort of style of that, like a few big random props, but it was the way that they used it, it was very fun, it was very interesting. There was puppetry involved, like it was a really cool show. So I just I think that yeah, it's I I want us to get away from the aesthetics of set design, especially on stages. Just it just looking good because I know it's what we look at, but the spectacle to me adds texture. You know what I mean? There's dimension.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02You know exactly, yeah. Like I don't know how else to describe it other than yeah, there's dimension, there's levels, there's blocking, like there's something interesting everywhere you look.
SPEAKER_04And it's not just for the sake of it looking pretty or like for it, yeah, like ugly things can also be dynamic as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think I'm just of the camp that theater should be very dynamic and should be a spectacle. Like it should be, I shouldn't be able to see this in a in my everyday life. I shouldn't be able to see like yeah, I think it's just it's I come to the theater to escape into a world, whether that's a concert or a show, and set designers do a brilliant job of creating a world that you see and hear, and if you're close enough, can touch, you know, like there's yeah, you want to be immersed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, immersion, that's the way to put it.
SPEAKER_04The smallest thing can really take you out of it. And I think that it really takes a mind of it's all encompassing, right? Like it's like the visual aspect, the the oral aspect, like everything.
SPEAKER_02Um it's difficult too. Like, I'm not gonna say it's ever easy to be a set designer, but like it's why I respect designers that are able to take such get it, yeah. Yeah, that can take such elaborate things in their brain and make it a reality for you to see. Like, I think we really need to understand and appreciate how brilliant that is, not just as a set designer, but of any fashion design, musicians, all of that. You're taking something that is in your brain, it's hard enough to communicate on a day-to-day basis as is, but then you're taking that the vision that you have out of your brain and into a physical world and having people see it. Yeah, it's directors are brilliant for this, is why uh bring it back to Emerald Fennel. Like, even if I don't think I like her writing, she has shots in her brain that she was able to execute and make beautiful.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the fact that someone can just like storyboard it from their head and bring it into reality is wild. Yeah, yeah. Agree, agree, agree. Um that being said, I would love to go to the sphere in Vegas.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I'm curious about it. I'm definitely curious about it. I I I've seen some people talk about it. Uh channel, a YouTube channel that I like, talked about their uh Wizard of Oz thing, which she didn't necessarily love because obviously the aspect ratio for the Wizard of Oz is not was never built to be that big, so it's like there's just a lot of empty space and like weird depending on where you're sitting. But I still think that is a very interesting idea, and I'm very curious to see either a concert or yeah, a movie in that space. Like it'd be very interesting to see maybe even if someone like an IMAX film that people would make and then remake for that thing would be very curious. Imagine seeing Interstellar in there if they made it for that. Don't let me leave, Marv.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Don't I will watch it tonight.
SPEAKER_02Uh, the movie line that makes me cry the most is when I hear I knew you'd come back.
SPEAKER_04Don't.
SPEAKER_02Because my dad promised me.
SPEAKER_04Don't. Don't piss me off. Don't do it.
SPEAKER_02That line? That line right there? Anyway. Another brilliant mind, Christopher Nolan. See, that's a white bro that I get behind. Come on now, y'all. I'm not a hater for haters' sake. I just want a little bit more passion, a little bit more feeling in your stuff, a little bit more emotion. People shat on Interstellar when it first came out, like the diehard Chris Nolan fans.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because I guess after the Dark Knight trilogy, it's like, what the fu and like Inception, what the fuck is this? Love is the answer. And I was like, this is brilliant. This is fucking brilliant. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Are there any other like um and I'm speaking from Do you have any Libra in your chart? You got Libra in your chart, don't you?
SPEAKER_02I'm a Libra rising.
SPEAKER_04There you go. Um, so are there any other like visually stunning pieces of whatever, like medium, whatever medium that really stick out to you?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I'm thinking in the top of my head, Sinners, because it's like the awesome coming up, and it just there were so many shots in that film that like again you could just cut the still and it would be a beautiful photo.
SPEAKER_04Like even the fight scene at the end was gorgeous.
SPEAKER_02Oh, Sinners, I just yeah, I think that film was very beautifully shot, and everyone, the way everyone's skin tones, like I especially watch out for how people film dark skin because a lot of times can cameras weren't built for people like my complexion. Um, obviously things have advanced more and stuff like that. But fun fact, I think it was like they were trying to the only reason that cameras started to advance in that in the 70s or 80s was because they were trying to either film take pictures of wood or chocolate. The concept of black people showing up better on film wasn't even a condition. It was like, oh, we need to make I think it was wood or chocolate. Look it up. I can't remember which one specifically, but oh sorry, I didn't mean to tell you like you look it up.
SPEAKER_04No, I'm going to because I'm so curious.
SPEAKER_02Um, so I am that's something that's my bias that I'll say I lean into too of like if I'm looking at a visual that has especially black people in it, I want to make sure that yeah, the textures, like just the scene when Annie is in um when Smoke and Annie are meeting up again for the first time in a while, and you just see all those big mossy southern trees, and like you know, you know, like it's that shot is so beautiful to me. Another one that I'm bringing it back to is The Wire. In the beginning of one of the last few episodes in season three. God, okay, the way that they film Michael K. Williams, it's like his skin, he looks so beautiful. Every time you see him in one of the shots, he just looks beautiful. His skin tone, the scar, the lighting. But there's this scene where he's coming to meet somebody and it's kind of like a Western style vibe that they're doing. And they shot it on location in Baltimore, so it's like, or sorry, Baltimore.
SPEAKER_04So it's uh it's not who wait, who's from Baltimore? I wasn't recording! But that's okay. That's okay.
SPEAKER_02Guys, we did a whole outro. Or wait, when did I No, I stopped recording. No, I didn't record. Wait.
SPEAKER_04No, because no, me too. And I think it's fine.
SPEAKER_02Girl, okay. Well, we might not have recorded that whole outro that we did talking about our favorite shots. I hope we did, but I have no idea.
SPEAKER_04Quick little rundown. We were listening to Rikia Red Hier Knot rock version. You guys have to listen to her. It was amazing. She had like a Korean bridge. She's an alt black girl. First of all, love it. Love it.
SPEAKER_02Love it.
SPEAKER_04Um, my other favorite alt black girl is Haley Williams.
SPEAKER_02Um me too, because that's a black woman.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. What else? We talked about a few TV shows. Uh Khadija talked about Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
SPEAKER_02Talked about the wire and some of the shots that I like in that. I think we recorded that though, did we?
SPEAKER_04Okay. Yeah, you can't.
SPEAKER_02We had a good conversation, y'all, and I'm so sorry if we didn't record it. Um But listen already or not by Rakia. Rakia.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
unknownRakia.
SPEAKER_02And check out Amite of the Seven Kingdoms if you haven't already. I'm sure most of you have, but it's very cute, very brilliant show.
SPEAKER_04Damn. Don't worry about it. It's not a thing, don't worry.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04Bye, guys.
SPEAKER_05Bye.
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